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Borders Books is awash in HP-mania in preparation for the upcoming book and movie. They had a display of "If you liked the HP books, you might like..." and there I saw an edition of Susan Cooper's The Dark Is Rising that I'd never seen before. I picked it up and read those fateful words at the bottom: SOON TO BE A MAJOR MOTION PICTURE. First reaction: "OH COOL!" Second reaction a moment later: "OH SHIT!" Because you know what "major motion picture" means, don't you?

But it's okay, they're not changing anything. I mean, except for making the Stantons Americans living in England. And making Will 13 years old. And making The Walker 25 years old. And taking out all the Arthurian myth references. And making Merriman short and swarthy. And making the Rider's horse white and making the Rider look like, as one person wrote, Arnold Rimmer in bondage gear. And adding Vikings and mall security and a love interest and something about snakes and just generally BORKING IT UP BEYOND RECOGNITION. They are taking out all the beauty and terror and magic of the land and its myths and turning it into a "major motion picture" with all that implies. The changes to the story are so drastic and shocking that, in comparison, Peter Jackson's LOTR movies are letter-perfect recreations of Tolkien's books. Take a second to let this sink in. I am not going to go see this movie unless somebody who thinks just like I do goes and says it's not that bad, that there will be something redeeming in it. But honestly I don't think that's going to be the case.

The Dark Is Rising is one of the books I love best in all the world. I have read it, I don't know, maybe 40 times. I now limit myself to reading it once a year, during Christmastime, because that's when the book is set. I don't re-read the other books as often or, in the case of Over Sea Under Stone, at all. The Grey King is actually pretty sad, and Silver On The Tree is too remote. Greenwitch is a bit better, but for some reason TDIR just resonates with me like nothing else.

The other books that are right up there with TDIR (almost on the same level, perhaps the tiniest fraction below) are Alan Garner's books The Weirdstone of Brisingamen and The Moon of Gomrath. So far there is no word that Hollywood has gotten its filth-encrusted claws on this series yet, but you'll hear about it from me if they do.

Other beloved books from my childhood include Gone-Away Lake and Return to Gone-Away by Elizabeth Enright, which I just finished re-reading for the zillionth time; the Mad Scientists' Club books by Bertrand Brinley, which make me a bit sad that I didn't grow up as a boy in a small Midwest town; and the Moomin books of course (and the Japanese have already done something freaky with the Moomins, but I don't have to see it unless I walk through Kinokuniya Books in Uwajimaya). I used to love The Phantom Tollbooth but it hasn't "aged" for me quite as well as the others. Books that I discovered only just recently but wish I had known as a child are Kenneth Grahame's The Wind in the Willows (had everybody read it but me?) and his two books about childhood, The Golden Age and Dream Days (thanks to John Rateliff for bringing these into my life along with so many other wonderful discoveries he has shared with me!).

Anyway, help me take my mind off this by telling me about your best-beloved books from when you were growing up.

Date: 2007-06-25 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeanineers.livejournal.com
I haven't read Susan Cooper's books. Guess I'll have to stop by Borders.

Date: 2007-06-25 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woadwarrior.livejournal.com
Or maybe just wait for the movie...

Date: 2007-06-25 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
You, sir, are now officially on THE LIST! Yes, you SHOULD look scared!

Date: 2007-06-25 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woadwarrior.livejournal.com
would that be the pre order ticket list?

Date: 2007-06-25 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
It's a SOOPER SEKRIT list.

Date: 2007-06-25 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woadwarrior.livejournal.com
All kidding aside, I know exactly what you mean. I read a lot of Heinlein as a young adult, and I loved "Starship Troopers" and was excited that they were going to make a movie of it. As you know it got the "major motion picture" treatment. I was very disappointed.

Do people on your SOOPER SEKRIT list get cookies? I could use something chocolaty about now.

S

Date: 2007-06-25 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
Wow, Starship Troopers: The Movie must have come as quite a shock to you! I had never read the book (Heinlein has a lot of weird issues about, well, almost everything) and so had no expectations at all. It's memorable to me mostly for the really strange noises they had the ferret make as well as that one scene with Caspar Van Dien. You know the one. Jeanine does, anyway, I'm sure.

Date: 2007-06-26 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mckitterick.livejournal.com
You know, "very disappointed" doesn't begin to describe it. In fact, I was amazed that the Heinlein estate allowed that movie to be made. I mean, it pretty much existed merey to mock the book.

Sure, it was a fun movie, but it shoulda been called something else.

Oh, by the way WM, I lament your favorite book being bastardized by Hollywood. And I wish I'd formed the Mad Scientist Club.

Date: 2007-06-25 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
I could lend you mine, or you could get them from SPL and see if you like them before buying the whole series. Definitely don't read them in the order of publication - *start* with The Dark Is Rising.

Date: 2007-06-25 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theda.livejournal.com
Goodness gracious, That book is what got me interested in sci-fi and fantasy. It was my first book addiction.

Date: 2007-06-25 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
And look what they're doing to it!!! I'm trying to think of a time when I've been more sickened by a film adaptation. Has Bryan read it? If not, and if he sees the movie (October), I'd be curious to see how it comes across to somebody who hasn't grown up with and loved the book.

Date: 2007-07-15 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theda.livejournal.com
I just saw the ad and I am heartbroken

Date: 2007-07-16 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
We need to send somebody to see it and tell us what it's like. Hollywood also has the perfect opportunity to totally arse up Stardust and The Golden Compass. *sigh* Heartbroken is a good word.

Date: 2007-06-25 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com
I'm terrified of the notion of TDIR becoming a MAJOR MOTION PICTURE. I love that book beyond reason.

Hollywood has already kinda borked up one of my favorite novels of all time: Something Wicked This Way Comes. I say "kinda" because I haven't seen the movie since I was a teen. I just remember that they turned the Dust Witch into some stereotypical gypsy woman who could commanded swarms of spiders. So yeah, not in any rush to re-watch it.

I live in constant fear that someone in Hollywood will get the "bright" idea to make a movie from Ray Bradbury's short story "Homecoming".

Date: 2007-06-25 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
Hoo boy. Swarms of spiders. I take it that's not in the book? I am mortified to admit that I don't think I ever read SWTWC. I read a fair amount of Bradbury but mostly short stories, apparently! Oh, which reminds me: Remember how they borked up The Halloween Tree? GAH!!!

Date: 2007-06-25 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com
No, no swarms of spiders in the book. And I LOVE the book; much like you with TDIR, I have had restrict my re-reading of it to once a year, in October. But it's one of the cornerstones of my universe.

Thankfully, I don't remember how they borked up The Halloween Tree, because I never saw it.

Date: 2007-06-25 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
I *think* I have The Halloween Tree on a videotape somewhere - the same one with the Grinch Halloween special. This doesn't imply that you should watch it, merely that it's collecting dust in my house somewhere.

Speaking of dust, each October I also love to read From the Dust Returned. Plus all the John Bellairs books, but there are so many of them that I run out of October first.

Date: 2007-06-25 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimeg.livejournal.com
Oh my! I knew I liked you! TDIR is one of my favorites, and I have the series in hardback bought so early that my copies do not have the Newberry Award seals on them -- I had my copies before they won their awards.

This is the approach: that movie has the same title as TDIR, but it is not the same book. Titles can't be copyrighted, so obviously this is going to be a different story altogether, and not our cherished original. Sort of like "I, Robot" -- the Will Smith movie was entertaining, but it had *nothing* to do with Isaac Asimov.

:)

Date: 2007-06-25 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
Welcome to the elite circle of people with excellent taste in literature! =) I'm impressed with the venerability of your editions - that is awesome! Does your TDIR have the black cover, with the really odd illustrations that we imprinted on, despite their sheer strangeness?

You're right. This movie is going to be the "I, Robot" of the fantasy genre. I will try to keep that in mind before I pop an artery.

Date: 2007-06-26 01:29 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Black and white cover. All my copies are first edition hardbacks.

:)

Yes, I worked in a bookstore.

Oh, and I tagged you for a meme, too.

Date: 2007-06-26 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimeg.livejournal.com
Sigh -- I'm really not anonymous, just kinda spacey.

I also have all the Riddlemaster books in first edition hardbacks, and the McCaffrey Dragonsinger sequence. I am a book junkie.

:)

Date: 2007-06-26 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
Yay! You are the second person to tag me with this, and the reason I haven't responded? Because all of the 7 (8? is this meme mutating?) things I was going to say are completely negative. I need to come up with 7 things that are at least neutral, and I don't know - that's going to take some doing. =(

My kid books

Date: 2007-06-26 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimeg.livejournal.com
http://tinablack.livejournal.com/1093.html#cutid1

and

http://kalimeg.livejournal.com/57334.html?mode=reply

Since I answered exhaustively, I may as well just point you there!!

Date: 2007-07-17 07:52 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] cmlc.livejournal.com
It's one of my special favourites as well. Everything hollywood touches turns to shit :-( Still, we'll still have the book, and as long as we avoid seeing the shit, we'll still have the book after that. I could rant about how they've obviously missed the point in a million ways, but they're hollywood so they always miss the point, and they always will, because they're morons making shit for other morons, so it would be a waste of effort. Pigs are more intelligent than hollywood's target audiences.

My favourites are remarkably like yours, Alan Garner and Susan Cooper. Also some of Diana Wynne Jones' books are splendid, though maybe not as magical and terrifying, but packed full of entertainment. Fire And Hemlock, the Homeward Bounders, Archer's Goon and a number of others are all definitely worth a read.

Alan Garner has continued to write books, more adult ones, often absolutely stark but really beautiful. Well worth seeking out. Read for instance "The Stone Book Quartet". Astonishing stuff.

Other books I loved as a child? Well, lots, but lots of them I wouldn't ever return to - Enid Blyton, the Hardy Boys, Alfred Hitchcock And The Three Investigators, that sort of thing. Books I *would* return to - "The Borrowers" series by Mary Norton held me spellbound (also vomited into Major Motion Picture drivel of course) - there's a quiet gentle loveliness to the fading, crumbling world in which they lived. Also - and I have no idea if this is overlaid with politics for Americans, but it isn't for me here in Scotland - the Laura Ingalls Wilder books were splendid adventures and full of endlessly fascinating detail - little social histories of the time, almost. Of course, ignore the appalling TV series which bore little relation to the far better books.

Date: 2007-07-17 08:28 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] cmlc.livejournal.com
Pardon my language! I think I must have been quite angry when I wrote that... :-)

Date: 2007-07-17 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
Oh, swear away! I cheerfully embrace profanity, although I can never aspire to [livejournal.com profile] naamah_darling's mastery of the art.

Date: 2007-07-17 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
Welcome to you, voice from Scotland! Thank you for the tip on Alan Garner's other books. I vaguely remember hearing that Strandloper had come out but then totally forgot about it! I should search these out. Never made it all the way through Red Shift, and The Owl Service was very disturbing (well written, but disturbing). But the other three were grand adventures in young fantasy very much in the same vein as TDIR.

I may indeed check out some Diana Wynne Jones on your recommendation!

I wonder if all American schoolchildren had to read the Little House on the Prairie books as part of our modules about the pioneers and Native Americans? I never imprinted on those books, probably because the Great Plains held no appeal. I liked books with mountains, forests and water.

You know what I read last year for the first time ever? The Anne of Green Gables series! No idea how that fared in the TV version though.

Last night we saw the preview for The Golden Compass. Now I'm obligated to go just to see how they handle Lyra's little ermine daemon, but I expect they will bork up the story in rare style.

Date: 2007-07-17 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shy-kat.livejournal.com
I haven't read those books since I was about 10, but I loved them then. I should reread them sometime...

Date: 2007-07-17 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
See, I think you make a good point here. I believe the books have a very special appeal to readers right in the 10-12 age group. Making Will 13-14 really misses the point and adds a lot of angsty complexity (I repeat: a love interest????). Alan Garner's books are the same way - the protagonists are in that same age group, as are the ones in Andre Norton's magic books (the ones I have at least). TDIR will always be one of the most beautiful young fantasy books ever written, and it makes me grind my teeth to think of all the young people who will see the movie and never read the book as a result.

Date: 2008-03-23 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adelheide.livejournal.com
Are you going to hit me if I tell you I haven't read any of these books?

Date: 2008-03-23 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
Not at all! I would be most interested in hearing what books you loved growing up, as we are the same generation. But I will definitely warn you away from The Dark is Rising (the movie) even if you haven't read the book. Let Hollywood learn a sharp lesson.

Date: 2008-03-24 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adelheide.livejournal.com
I was reading Poe in grade school. I also remember Watership Down and The Hobbit as having a big impact on me.

Date: 2008-03-24 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com
Excellent stuff! I remember reading Poe at the time as well because I loved horror and ghost stories, but I liked 'em a little more visceral. Yes on Watership Down and The Hobbit! I started whacking away at Lord of the Rings at a very early age, being drawn to those horrible-but-colorful covers (remember those?), but of course it took many years to start making real sense out of it.

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